tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post1499984442621062039..comments2024-02-13T11:11:28.246+00:00Comments on Bishop Alan’s Blog: Anglican Covenant: Teapot on the Hob?Bishop Alan Wilsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13879516755776951638noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-28112964893330821222012-03-18T10:31:08.424+00:002012-03-18T10:31:08.424+00:00The Covenant was (in good part) proposed to stop p...The Covenant was (in good part) proposed to stop people like me ever leading churches in any major way, as far as I can tell. 'Tis odd, because I never knew that me telling people that God is wonderful, and that he thinks of us all as his beloved children and his friends, was such a damaging thing for our churches. Scary stuff.Ann Memmottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-13622587185747015182012-03-17T20:58:22.121+00:002012-03-17T20:58:22.121+00:00I find the "Yes to the Covenant" website...I find the "Yes to the Covenant" website singularly unimpressive. <br /><br /><i>What's in the Covenant?<br />Haven't had a chance to read through the final version yet? Let us summarize it for you, and then you can print off a copy and enjoy!</i><br /><br />"Let us summarize...", and, of course, if you don't take the time to actually read the text, just take our word for it. I've noted that proponents of the covenant rarely quote the text. If they think the covenant is the solution, why not quote the pertinent sections to back up their arguments?June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-3899530018621096802012-03-17T07:30:42.837+00:002012-03-17T07:30:42.837+00:00Oh, Brian, we definitely need clergy there to make...Oh, Brian, we definitely need clergy there to make sure it is well and truly laid to rest and does not re-emerge, vampire-like, to bite us, as someone suggested above!Lay Anglicanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16731735543104129849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-38182427159842940412012-03-16T23:37:15.856+00:002012-03-16T23:37:15.856+00:00You suggest a decent burial for the Covenant. I wo...You suggest a decent burial for the Covenant. I would rather an indecent burial for it, without benefit of clergy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-64022263582343809132012-03-16T23:06:38.507+00:002012-03-16T23:06:38.507+00:00Well said, sir, with the wit and passion it deserv...Well said, sir, with the wit and passion it deserves. Peace and all good.Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-51108344417229597492012-03-16T20:22:03.892+00:002012-03-16T20:22:03.892+00:00Thanks, Alan. Whether in the end a majority of di...Thanks, Alan. Whether in the end a majority of dioceses voted to adopt the covenant or not, the picture is of a very divided church. Certainly the proposed covenant does not offer the appropriate way forward for the Church of England.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-37487751339937321862012-03-16T13:58:22.485+00:002012-03-16T13:58:22.485+00:00Now that daddy (++Rowan) is moving out, is this th...Now that daddy (++Rowan) is moving out, is this the end of the whole covenant business anyway?!iamchristianhearmeroarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00663182150945382894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-28427272995274351082012-03-16T13:13:17.324+00:002012-03-16T13:13:17.324+00:00V good. Thank you. Be very interested, with the ...V good. Thank you. Be very interested, with the "Yes to the Covenant" business evidently based there, to see how your diocese votes next week. And what, is any, effect "The Resignation" will have on all remaining votes.<br /><br />[Why do blogger verification words melt in this annoying, illegible manner, like your chocolate teapot?]Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-65442553621143479172012-03-16T12:32:29.024+00:002012-03-16T12:32:29.024+00:00Thank you for this wise and forward thinking post....Thank you for this wise and forward thinking post. With this mornings announcement we don't know where we will be going now, but I am thankful for your wisdom. May more of this wisdom come to the fore in the days ahead.Muthah+https://www.blogger.com/profile/10589837671378205837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-147389319191179072012-03-16T11:33:35.998+00:002012-03-16T11:33:35.998+00:00I wonder whether the next Archbishop of Canterbury...I wonder whether the next Archbishop of Canterbury will want to carry on with it? Whoever she is...Robert Dimmicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-13191473467177464052012-03-16T10:58:18.824+00:002012-03-16T10:58:18.824+00:00Could we devise a special liturgy for the burying ...Could we devise a special liturgy for the burying of chocolate teapots and Anglican Covenants? Is it something you might be prepared to consider lay submissions on (since the whole body of Christ will be glad to lay both to rest). If so, may I join the queue at the top :)<br /><br />We pray for the outcome in Oxford Diocese. (It is Cambridge that is the home of lost causes, so far as I remember?)Lay Anglicanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16731735543104129849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-37579898489420818762012-03-16T09:33:07.701+00:002012-03-16T09:33:07.701+00:00Amen, Bishop. In the debate in our Diocese and Dea...Amen, Bishop. In the debate in our Diocese and Deanery synods on this I was particularly worried by those who voted for it but said, in effect, " It probably won't make much difference, because we are Anglicans and we will just ignore it if it doesn't suit us, so we'll vote for it because it is nice to have links with one another." I felt like saying "be careful what you vote for; you may get it!"<br />It seems to me that if the Covenant has enough teeth to be any use we will soon find it that it will come back to bite us.Annenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-56135489694197256772012-03-16T09:18:19.470+00:002012-03-16T09:18:19.470+00:00The interesting thing is that the Covenant appears...The interesting thing is that the Covenant appears to have firmed up division whether it is approved by all or none.<br /><br />It seems that there is no specified number of Provinces that must adopt it before it comes into formal existence, but it comes into existence seperately in each Province as soon as it signs up to it.<br /><br />So we already have a 2 tiered Communion, all the remaining Provinces are now deciding on is which tier they would like to belong to.<br /><br />Over on Tobias Haller's "In a Godward Direction" a conversation has started about the future role of the Archbishop of Canterbury and it seems possible that it may well be institutionalised neutrality.<br /><br />Alan T Perry writes about the complexity of implementing the Covenant, especially what happens when a church action has been found to be incompatible with it. It's a veritable nightmare ('Insert Catchy Blog Title Here', 29 February).<br /><br />This bureaucratic mess will be with us for a while to come yet!Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-90982422038498152342012-03-16T08:17:09.269+00:002012-03-16T08:17:09.269+00:00Thank you Bishop Alan, Yours is a Voice of common ...Thank you Bishop Alan, Yours is a Voice of common sense, peace and reconciliation, which is something the Anglican Covenant is not.<br /><br />As I've said elsewhere, If I'd wanted a Pope, I'd have stayed with Rome.<br /><br />The beauty of the Anglican Communion is it's ability to co-exist with differences, respecting each others integrity and joyfully journeying together with such diversity.<br /><br />The Covenant would destroy that. No matter what the pro-Lobby say, Sect 4 is the 'Nut Cracker' and it will fracture the communion.<br /><br />If people are unhappy with things as they are, the word of WW2 peace campaigners comes to mind "JAW, JAW, not WAR, WAR.UKViewerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18114944341930758335noreply@blogger.com