tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post2131505188008510601..comments2024-02-13T11:11:28.246+00:00Comments on Bishop Alan’s Blog: HR, me Hearties!Bishop Alan Wilsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13879516755776951638noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-64945687222673020082010-11-01T08:45:22.313+00:002010-11-01T08:45:22.313+00:00Gurdur, Many many thanks (in haste after a busy we...Gurdur, Many many thanks (in haste after a busy weekend) for picking up my stray thoughts from here, and developing them so thoughtfully and constructively. It would be good sometime to pull some of all this together to help guide parish representatives and others involved, because you've put your finger, kindly, on so many aspects of this that people often rather forget, but that get them every time! Thanks again.Bishop Alan Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13879516755776951638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-22442051073717073402010-10-29T10:13:01.222+01:002010-10-29T10:13:01.222+01:00Some thoughts of mine sparked partly by your blog ...Some thoughts of mine sparked partly by your blog post:<br /><br /><a href="http://heathen-hub.com/blog.php?b=705" rel="nofollow">Clergy training, Part 1</a><br />and<br /><a href="http://heathen-hub.com/blog.php?b=706" rel="nofollow">Clergy training, Part 2</a><br /><br />So far I've done them without pirate smilies, but next week I'll continue on the subject, and I will then make sure to incorporate your pirate motif.Gurdurhttp://heathen-hub.com/blog.php?u=1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-44682171662362387672010-10-28T09:06:07.750+01:002010-10-28T09:06:07.750+01:00Vinaigrette Girl here.
Predictably, I suppose, I ...Vinaigrette Girl here.<br /><br />Predictably, I suppose, I shall hoist the flag of Beware the Binary Division of Labour flag, and tip my hat to the underlying paradigm.<br /><br />Yes to clear signals; but yes to collaborative models, too. I'd like every PCC to play "I seek common ground" and "Car car" before drawing up a job spec for their next vicar. Children's games can be very informative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-9979409273759251342010-10-27T21:11:05.392+01:002010-10-27T21:11:05.392+01:00Thank you for this post, Bishop! It it heartening...Thank you for this post, Bishop! It it heartening ;-)<br />I am grateful especially for these two statements: <br />"Another perfectly good vicar is semi-successfully forced into an artificial mould that kills off their giftedness and enthusiasm" and<br />"How is our lousy job going to fulfil anyone who's up to doing it?" <br />Thank you for speaking that truth, that we clergy have desires, gifts, and ideas about our own ministry that ideally work in tandem with the parish's desires, gifts and ideas rather than simply in service to them.Penelopepiscopalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14110169815273159849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-61551710718815237292010-10-27T20:18:59.995+01:002010-10-27T20:18:59.995+01:00I've long thought that the running of a ship i...I've long thought that the running of a ship is a good parallel of running a church, though I never really thought about pirate vessels before ... certainly some congregations are as difficult to control as a bunch of pirates. <br />I wonder if some of your episcopal colleagues could learn a bit from studying the role of an admiral commanding a fleet - he doesn't need to try and sail the ships himself, but he does need to send out clear signals.Charliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08102799923678550905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-332618328517491822010-10-27T15:05:56.376+01:002010-10-27T15:05:56.376+01:00My hero - not only do you illustrate a sound point...My hero - not only do you illustrate a sound point with Kermit but also Sam the American Eagle (they're CHURCH people, you know!)<br /><br />We are a couple of years on from this scenario. Our PCC wanted the Archangel Gabriel, but a bit more worldly. Thanks, chaps, that was helpful. <br /><br />I and my fellow Churchwarden undertook all the due diligence stuff but tacitly agreed to rely on gut instinct. On the day of the interview it was so flippin' obvious which of the candidates was to be our new Vicar, we hardly needed to discuss it. If we were pious (we're not, we're Churchwardens) we could say that we left it up to God. But don't tell the PCC - they still think we were working to their spec!Doorkeeperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09833186676034988104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-62180996209284211172010-10-27T14:52:16.287+01:002010-10-27T14:52:16.287+01:00Unrealistic expectations have always been a proble...Unrealistic expectations have always been a problem for clergy, not just nowadays. It's also a job bound up with often a high degree of intimacy and emotions, so it's always going to be a high-risk job.<br /><br />Then there's the over-selling of Christianity as a supposedly easy answer for everything that ails you. Again, that pust huge burdens on the clergy.<br /><br />I might do a blog post on necessary training for the clergy, though you're all going to look huge askance at an atheist like me doing that. But then, on my own blog, at least I have all the necessary pirate smilies.Gurdurhttp://heathen-hub.com/blog.php?u=1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-86371389303986565592010-10-27T13:15:50.056+01:002010-10-27T13:15:50.056+01:00For awhile I worked as deployment officer - now ca...For awhile I worked as deployment officer - now called transition officer - for the diocese. The amount of unrealistic expectations in the churches was astounding. Somehow they would hire someone at half time salary who would solve all their woes and return them to the glory days of the 1950s -- my job was giving them a reality check (or bite). I found <a href="http://appreciativeinquiry.case.edu/" rel="nofollow">Appreciative Inquiry</a> a good beginning -- asking questions about when they had felt and thought "this is why I love this church" -- and discovering who and what made those times happen - usually themselves and not the rector/vicar. From there looking at what was working and the direction they wanted to continue and what gifts-skills a rector might bring to their lives together.Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287169546184325690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-60506233830215221372010-10-27T11:09:24.426+01:002010-10-27T11:09:24.426+01:00The thing pirates didn't have to contend with ...The thing pirates didn't have to contend with was absentee merchants owning their ships. It was ofte the experience of dealing with them inspired pirates to round up their best people and run up the jolly roger...<br /><br />or become a vicar?Bishop Alan Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13879516755776951638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7132206171945839649.post-19300150030976430012010-10-27T11:00:05.069+01:002010-10-27T11:00:05.069+01:00Morning Boss
...how unlike my experience of the f...Morning Boss<br /><br />...how unlike my experience of the flooring trade this all sounds. I am feeling short-changed now. "Excuse me Mssrs Allied and Carpetright, where's me inspiration and stuff, innit?"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08268991293847325315noreply@blogger.com