Dr Williams, characteristically, is interested in the arguments over what sharia law actually says. The rest of the country is more interested in whether and how it might be enforced. Only if Islamic law can be reduced to a game played between consenting adults can it be acceptably enforced in this country; and that's not, I think, how it is understood by its practitioners.English law is a funny old thing. Its very purpose is unclear — For fifty years there’s been a fascinating row (known in the trade as Hart/ Devlin), about whether English law is designed to secure minimal social cohesion (Hart) or enforce morals (Devlin). At the time of Roman Catholic emancipation back in 1829 we experienced big social hysteria about how people who theoretically owe allegiance to other systems of law could be completely part of English society. We've pretty much managed to work that one out — the whole idea that Roman Catholics are a sinister fifth column is just wrong, though this crazy notion has deep roots in English history. Loyal is as loyal does. Within the overarching framework of monarchy we’re all still here, and the deep fried hysteria from 1780 (the Gordon riots) or 1685 (the Popish Plot) seems, frankly, potty. From this we learn that the English sometimes do hysterical kneejerks. Best check that the bogeymen really are bogeymen. In a country containing people who don’t know the difference between a paediatrician and a paedophile, this is particularly important.
Fast forward. Muslims, in fact, represent 3% of the UK population. In the cold light of day, fear that Bearded Ayatollahs are about to march up Whitehall and Take Power is utterly ridiculous. It’s particularly babyish when you remember 99% of actual British Muslims live decent, law abiding lives, according to rather conservative standards of family life. Forget that fact, and we make big fools of ourselves. Muslims know the UK is not a Muslim nation, and don't either expect or want it to be. They just expect basic standards of decency and respect towards their faith; which they are entitled to do, because decency and respect are values we all profess, secured by basic charters of human rights.
Are there other areas of UK life where the rule of law is apparently compromised or even suspended? In theory, no. The Queen’s writ runs throughout the realm, and that is a basic principle that secures civil society. But in practice, English law is sensibly pragmatic. Take a boxing match, a lawful activity, as long as the (non statutory, private) Board of Control rules are followed. This always involves acts which would otherwise be considered Common assault contrary to section 39 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988. Particularly bloody rumbles in the jungle would also appear to contravene section 47 of the Act, by occasioning actual bodily harm (ABH). There’s a fascinating wavy line here, and assault cases have been successfully brought arising from incidents on the rugby field. Does that mean sports arenas are “no go areas” for the law? Of course not. In all kinds of areas of life, simple and obvious requirements of general law are, if you like, superseded in a particular context. Sensible pragmatism, common sense, sorts it all out. In a well-worn groove like sports, we know instinctively where to go and how. In virgin forest like Sharia law, we don’t.
Now consider a Jewish couple divorcing. Their faith lays down legalistic procedures for interpreting their behaviour towards one another. If they chose to bring evidence or decisions from those procedures into civil courts in the UK, they will, of course, be taken into account for what they are. This isn’t replacing the law by Jewish law, just sensible pragmatism within the overarching framework of the Queen’s justice. In the same way, 18th century marriage law made provision for Quaker marriage. If religious procedures were to transgress the law, or deprive either party of equity, of course, the rule of law and the principles of equity would apply. Hysteria about Bogeymen is a great British Tradition. It gets people talking. But when they do, historically, they usually talk rubbish.
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Thanks for this useful take. I've linked to it from my post yesterday on the topic.
Well said Alan. There are manifestations of Sharia around the world which are worrying, but this isn't it.
Agreed. Well said. The media love a good stir and leave us with froth to chew,and a nasty taste in the mouth - instead of telling it as it is - which gives room for boxers, conscientious objectors in war and Christian doctors able to opt out of abortions - and, oh yes, the Church of England being able to get away with all sorts of "ecclesiastical exemptions". Aren't these things part and parcel of mature democracies?
Thank you, Bishop, for some sane words!
Bishop Alan, thank you for your openness and cutting through the media hype on this subject, however it seems to me, having lived in a country where we have all survived the laws of our land with common sense and pragmatism prevailing, that if you want to live in this land, then English law, so highly regarded around the globe, laws rooted in Gods code for living,should be sufficient without the need to recognise a different rule of law in the public arena, just as you and I do. This would lead to better understanding for and greater cohesion between different people groups.
If I welcomed someone into my house to live under my roof, and they accepted my provision for them, but did not accept the rules of the house, don't you think this would cause tension; it would cause me concern about the long term impact on an otherwise stable home; therefore there would need to be understanding on acceptance of the house rules for hospitality to continue.
When in Rome comes to mind.It's a Godly principle to honour, respect,and pay our dues to those put in Authority over us, why water that down.
I think we should take a good look at this whole thing - I remember Parkinson asking Peter Cook if he believed that there was one law for the poor and another for the rich - Peter's answer was (and I am paraphrasing here for it was some years ago) 'No, no, no, I believe there are many laws for the rich because they can afford them...'
But before I drag on I think I'll just have to add that I'm going to write up my thoughts on my own space....
Thanks for the brilliant Peter Cook Quote. I'll keep an eye out for further ideas your end.
Peter — I think the broad approach you're taking is the only sensible one. One of the current Fleet Street idiocies is to suggest that anyone wants to substitute Saudi justice for the bits of UK law they don't like.
What's being disussed is more like this. In spite of their hypocritical retending otherwise, the government has actually introduced legislative provision to make the City of London attarctive for oil money, and a capital of Islamic banking. As a Christian, this holds out the additional benefit that Islamic principles about money are far closer to Scriptural teaching about usury than our current UK Credit/Debt slavery culture. The fact that it took Sharia banking and oil money to induce the City to think again is sad, but not objectionable. We really do have to examine what's actually being talked about for what it is, rather than flying off the handle about the general principle of something which isn't being proposed anyway. And, of course, UK law rules in the UK in this area, but in the way it does in every other area, not some exclusive sectarian way that excludes benefit from other cultures.
If I welcomed someone into my house to live under my roof and they accepted my provision for them.
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